Ellie speaks with Jenna Helwig, author of the cookbook Bare Minimum Dinners and the food director at Real Simple magazine. Jenna’s “one real good thing”—to let go of ambition in the kitchen– sounds counterintuitive at first, but here she reveals how taking a step back can actually help you enjoy more healthy home-cooked meals in a stress-free way. Listen as she shares some of her favorite supermarket shortcuts, while Ellie also reveals her own hack for Indian food takeout and her secret kitchen mantra.